Translation: eBay provided this Search service free. But now pay eBay EXTRA fees and eBay will allow International buyers to see your listings. Otherwise eBay will hide your listings from International customers.
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http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200803310800522.html
March 31, 2008 | 08:01AM PST/PT
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Stephanie Tilenius
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Hello everyone…This is Stephanie Tilenius, General Manager for eBay North America. The ability to sell internationally is a key benefit of doing business on the eBay marketplace. I'm pleased to announce an exciting new listing feature upgrade that will give sellers in North America the option to get full visibility for their items on other eBay sites, initially eBay.co.uk, enabling them to reach many millions more buyers.
How International Selling Works Today
eBay's global marketplace opens the door to international business for many sellers. Traditionally, US sellers who want to attract buyers in the UK and elsewhere have had two options:
1) They can list on eBay.com and choose World Wide Shipping or other international shipping options. In this scenario, their items only show up on another international site in the few cases when buyers specifically look for international items using Advanced Search features.
Or –
2) They can create a separate listing on another international eBay site (and pay all the same fees that other sellers pay to list there).
Coming Soon: International Site Visibility Listing Upgrade
In May, we're giving sellers who list on US and Canada sites a better option for international exposure by introducing the International Site Visibility listing upgrade. With this listing upgrade, sellers will be able to list on their local site and pay a small upgrade fee so that their listing also shows up in the main default search results to buyers across the Atlantic on eBay.co.uk – two sites for a great price.
In the US, the fees to use this optional upgrade are as follows:
Start Price
$0.01 -9.99
International Site Visibility Listing Upgrade Fee
10 cents
Start Price
$10 - 49.99
International Site Visibility Listing Upgrade Fee
20 cents
Start Price
$50+
International Site Visibility Listing Upgrade Fee
40 cents
The International Site Visibility listing upgrade offers sellers who want to expand their international business a great value – items with this upgrade show up by default for international buyers in the market selected in addition to the buyers in the seller's own market. This makes international listing economical and easier to manage than listing separately for international sites.
Data shows that depending on the category and start-price, it only takes one or two extra bids from international buyers to make up the cost of the International Site Visibility fee.
For PowerSellers, using this feature also ensures that these UK sales are counted towards their Final Value Fee discounts.
UK, Ireland, US and Canada International Support Only
At launch, the International Site Visibility listing upgrade will only be available for eBay UK, eBay Ireland, eBay Canada and eBay.com. US and Canada sellers have the upgrade option to list on eBay UK, and UK and Ireland sellers have the upgrade option to list on the North America sites. We'll be adding support for more international markets in the near future, so stay tuned.
A word about testing – US-UK Collectibles
Over the past six months, we've been running tests in the collectibles-related categories on eBay.com and eBay.co.uk, looking for optimal ways to display international listings. These tests will be concluding as we introduce International Site Visibility as an upgrade available for almost all categories to US and UK sellers.
We're excited about the new opportunities for the members in our communities to do even more trade together. International Site Visibility helps sellers reach international buyers – and helps increase the value and selection available to buyers! We'll update you again once International Site Visibility is launched.
Sincerely,
Stephanie Tilenius
General Manager, eBay North America
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From eBay Stores Forum
International visibility surcharges uhhhh what?
http://forums.ebay.com/db2/thread.jspa?threadID=2000544161
Discussion
cho*** (2358 )
Mar-31-08 15:26 PDT
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200803.shtml#2008-03-31074923
its on the right on the board, the announcements. I don't understand. does that mean stores format won't have the option ?
Oh, I've got a brand new pair of roller skates
My Indestructible bracelets protect me
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bab*** (1256 )
Mar-31-08 15:30 PDT
1 of 81
Does this mean that unless you pay that new fee you won't show up on the international sites at all?
656*** (1263 )
Mar-31-08 15:35 PDT
2 of 81
Just another way for feebay to collect more. Glade I stopped selling out side US.
roy*** (845 )
Mar-31-08 15:44 PDT
3 of 81
Wow! Does anybody remember local ebay sites, i.e., ebay Boston. It was a chance where you could search 'hubs' for lack of a better word- or if you didn't find what you wanted you chose 'ebay international' or something like that.
All these fees are making my head ache.
cho*** (2358 )
Mar-31-08 15:48 PDT
4 of 81
PLUS, ebay UK defaults to best match, and that msg seems to infer you will be seen... which you may not
Oh, I've got a brand new pair of roller skates
My Indestructible bracelets protect me
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sca*** (2729 )
Mar-31-08 15:53 PDT
5 of 81
I wonder if this will work in reverse and all the sellers located in China who say they are in the US will be forced to pay...
I don't like this part: For PowerSellers, using this feature also ensures that these UK sales are counted towards their Final Value Fee discounts.
So does that mean that if I don't use this upgrade and a UK buyer finds me somehow anyway that their purchases won't count? That's lame because close to 30% of my sales are int'l. UGH
Usually I just keep to my own but I just have to say- man am I glad I started building my website when I did. This is getting unreal.
cho*** (2358 )
Mar-31-08 15:57 PDT
6 of 81
I don't like this part: For PowerSellers, using this feature also ensures that these UK sales are counted towards their Final Value Fee discounts.
scarborough, that's almost the equivalent to "pay the bank extra and the teller will make sure they actually deposit your money" lol
Oh, I've got a brand new pair of roller skates
My Indestructible bracelets protect me
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the*** (Private )
Mar-31-08 15:59 PDT
7 of 81
Told ya!
Do you guys remember my thread last week?
I had asked what changed. I knew it! I get tons of interantional sales and I have not had one in weeks.
I flippin knew something was different.
Oh how do I hate ebay, let me count the ways!
cho*** (2358 )
Mar-31-08 16:01 PDT
8 of 81
news at 10: Ebay to start charging for air
Oh, I've got a brand new pair of roller skates
My Indestructible bracelets protect me
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dorothysew (990 )
Mar-31-08 16:02 PDT
9 of 81
For some who already list in UK at least, this is going to help and it might not hurt to try it-since the dollar is so far down.
Just hope it doesn't work the other way or we may get flooded with UK stuff.
the*** (Private )
Mar-31-08 16:02 PDT
10 of 81
So much for the free gallery. Now I have to pay to sell to my international customers.
This place is such a joke! Oh my word, Im going to go balistic in a moment.
And ebay, please give us a break. We didnt have minimal exposure. 30% or more of my sales are interantaionl. I have never been in a lack of international sales , until now!!!!!!!!!!!
sca*** (2729 )
Mar-31-08 16:06 PDT
11 of 81
woodland, yes, I remember you saying that. At the time I thought it was just a fluke because my int'l sales were still fine. Maybe you're in one of eBay's glorious test groups to see how this change affects sales.
Sigh. So sad, a site like this has such potential to do great things and instead they just keep tweaking it to squeeze every penny they can out of their customers. As I mentioned in my last post, I'm usually not much of a complainer about this stuff, but it's so disheartening, I've loved being a stay at home mom and eBay was a giant part of making that happen for me. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed that I sell enough to get some discount on my fees and stay afloat while my site gains steam. I guess that's all I can do!
Okay, speaking of- I'm on a mission to stock up that site this week, so I guess I'd better get to doing inventory!
tre*** (3633 )
Mar-31-08 16:06 PDT
12 of 81
Woodland, DITTO! I was on the phone with stores today and could hear her blank stare when I asked WHY 30% of my (International) had gone poof! Grr! They are pushing us too far, WAY too far...I am ready to riot
cho*** (2358 )
Mar-31-08 16:08 PDT
13 of 81
why do sellers distrust ebay management
because of crap like this!
Oh, I've got a brand new pair of roller skates
My Indestructible bracelets protect me
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moo*** (1627 )
Mar-31-08 16:10 PDT
14 of 81
Screw that! Wait I was starting to be an exporter.
Way to change the game eBay!
That's why my sales dried up starting last week.
Up until last week all my sales where Europe and Canada.
eBay is slowly pumping up costs here and there to cover the drop in other areas.
In a Barber Shop, when you start to lose customers, you need to jack up the costs to your regulars. Then when some regulars leave, you need to jack up parking fees, hair removal fees, etc. That's a very slippery slope eBay is dancin' on.
tre*** (3633 )
Mar-31-08 16:11 PDT
15 of 81
Howdy Chops! So glad to see you back and spunky again! We missed you soul sister..
cho*** (2358 )
Mar-31-08 16:13 PDT
16 of 81
hugs, my doc this morning gave me a CLEAN BILL OF HEALTH. I am TECHNICALLY HEALTHY> LMAO.
I may riot, just for the exercise! LOL
Oh, I've got a brand new pair of roller skates
My Indestructible bracelets protect me
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cho*** (2358 )
Mar-31-08 16:16 PDT
17 of 81
maybe they should just fire whoever that lady is who took over Chris T's job to manage EBAY STORES. Remember her, she was hired then went on maternity leave. never came back.
no value added to the bottom line, fire her if you need to squeeze money.
fire that marketing blogger for Ebay INK you cheaparoonies!
Oh, I've got a brand new pair of roller skates
My Indestructible bracelets protect me
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tre*** (3633 )
Mar-31-08 16:17 PDT
18 of 81
Oh man, they are tap dancing on a greased down glacier. Congrats on the great report!
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tre*** (3633 )
Mar-31-08 16:21 PDT
19 of 81
Healt report that is.. siggie test:
Ready for lift off!
tra*** (6181 )
Mar-31-08 16:22 PDT
20 of 81
Hey and ebay lowered our insertion fees.....remember? Now they get to raise everything else.
So the bigger question: Why is ebay chasing all it's sellers away?
Lee
wor*** (3185 )
Mar-31-08 16:31 PDT
21 of 81
ohh yes they cut off international about three weeks ago i use to do 10 -25 a month none , but no way will i pay to sell over there more money
wor*** (3185 )
Mar-31-08 16:34 PDT
22 of 81
global market pace my .....
lin*** (4627 )
Mar-31-08 16:35 PDT
23 of 81
Will it still work the way it does where buyers can still make purchases if they can find you here?
cho*** (2358 )
Mar-31-08 16:37 PDT
24 of 81
Lets just set up a website that says UK shoppers buy direct from the SOURCE. UK shoppers really like deals. We all show how competitive we can be, they're not gonna care about getting IT on ebay.
Oh, I've got a brand new pair of roller skates
My Indestructible bracelets protect me
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lin*** (4627 )
Mar-31-08 16:39 PDT
25 of 81
That is true. They don't care. Great idea.
cho*** (2358 )
Mar-31-08 16:40 PDT
26 of 81
do you know in some cases, UK shoppers pay close to 40% customs duties or vat charges to get the goods to them? Any type of discount to reduce their costs is attractive to them.
Oh, I've got a brand new pair of roller skates
My Indestructible bracelets protect me
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lin*** (4627 )
Mar-31-08 16:42 PDT
27 of 81
I'm still confused about what she said.
Does she mean it is starting with UK only and then will go to Ireland or it will start with UK and Ireland (Is there just one site for them) and will expand for more $$ later?
I have some international postcards I have to get visibility other places to sell. But, they find me now...bet that changes soon (unless I pay)
lin*** (4627 )
Mar-31-08 16:44 PDT
28 of 81
We need to start a thread for:
Bad news from Ebay:
Keep it at the top and just list all the new BS things they change and see how fast and how many of these ridiculous changes they really do roll out.
I would love to see a list and dates for all that has changed over the last few months.
On a positive side, if they don't pay the fee at least 40% of the postcards will go by by when this starts! (nearly 40% are UK listings).
cho*** (2358 )
Mar-31-08 16:47 PDT
29 of 81
I think its meant to be confusing. just shoddy poop polished marketing spin.
all we have to do is work together, that is the hardest part... cuz some of us dont work well with others!! When UK shoppers get wind that there's a way to get insider discounts, they're not gonna turn away from that. And anyone who has a significant UK buyer following knows this
All we need to do is be able to SHOW them what we got!
Oh, I've got a brand new pair of roller skates
My Indestructible bracelets protect me
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tre*** (3633 )
Mar-31-08 16:57 PDT
30 of 81
It will take a coordinated effort but can easily be replicated in mass someplace else.
Ground control to Major Tom
ger*** (939 )
Mar-31-08 16:58 PDT
31 of 81
Where do stores come in to play? I get a lot of overseas buyers. Why do they have to make it so complicated???
Gerrhagirls Stained Glass Supplies and More
tra*** (6181 )
Mar-31-08 17:13 PDT
32 of 81
We gotta start an online mall, but that's expensive and time consuming.
Like was said........I don't work well in crowds.
Lee
dorothysew (990 )
Mar-31-08 17:20 PDT
33 of 81
Same offer in UK, probably Canada also, tho I didn't check. There goes the under 30 item store advantage.
http://www2.ebay.com/aw/uk/200803311620542.html
lin*** (4627 )
Mar-31-08 17:20 PDT
34 of 81
I don't think stores will be affected one way or the other.
I'm assuming they only find our store items now by clicking to see sellers other items.
So, that should still work as usual. They didn't say we couldn't sell internationally without paying the fee. They just said paying it would get the items placed in with their listings (which means core).
els*** (1310 )
Mar-31-08 17:21 PDT
35 of 81
I read that BS earlier today and wondered why my international sales had stopped. And why the doofus on the "powerup, let me help you build your business" consultation was really pushing me to LIST on the UK site. Maybe he knew that this was coming down the pike and it would seem like a deal after paying UK listing fees on that site. Pfft. Like I am going to actually sign up for a another site with a BS search. Or pay more for nothing here. Ha. What are they thinking?
The Donahoe Effect: the worst possible search at the worst possible time.
pin*** (3486 )
Mar-31-08 17:26 PDT
36 of 81
Well I wondered where my international sales had gone...guess now I know. I have to pay to get them back. Great, just great.
cho*** (2358 )
Mar-31-08 17:30 PDT
37 of 81
whoever wants to be listed on the UK direct list just let me know!! We can refer and publish that list to shoppers!
Oh, I've got a brand new pair of roller skates
My Indestructible bracelets protect me
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upn*** (1232 )
Mar-31-08 17:31 PDT
38 of 81
Sooo..... They are going to start charging us extra to sell international ??? If thats the case then thats the final straw for us. We will close down our third and final store april 14th. I guess the don't need our money because they sure have gone out of they way time after time over the last couple years to prevent us from selling our items on this site. It seems that whatever ebay does for the sellers they find a way to take back way more than they give. Ebay's answer has always been more and more fee's and to them that makes everything ok for the store sellers in ebayland.
moo*** (1627 )
Mar-31-08 17:33 PDT
39 of 81
Looks like in a few weeks, I'll need to e-mail many
of my international buyers from the past 2 years, and tell them how to still find us, because of the shrinking search results support from eBay, Inc, they wouldn't know we still existed.
What really bothers me is all these micro changes that they roll out several times a year. It is hard to stick to a selling strategy if you need to tweak it all the time.
moo*** (1627 )
Mar-31-08 17:37 PDT
40 of 81
Good idea Chop! I wouldn't mind sharing some of my international buyers e-mail. Maybe a simple webpage list that shows where Barker's Buckles can be found, the ChopSueySisters, and everyone else, with links and pictures.
Then we could all send e-mails with that link.
Just an idea.
lin*** (4627 )
Mar-31-08 17:40 PDT
41 of 81
It wouldn't be as bad if it weren't for Best Match.
Now, pay or not you have no guarantee anyone will ever see your listings.
Chop, you know I'm in. I don't sell everything internationally, but some of my items only sell that way.
dbcrn (85 )
Mar-31-08 17:44 PDT
42 of 81
Strange, I'm getting lots more international business.
Wierd.
cho*** (2358 )
Mar-31-08 17:45 PDT
43 of 81
YES!
I put your 2 info in my spreadsheet, that way its easier to keep organized and turn it into something web ready
Oh, I've got a brand new pair of roller skates
My Indestructible bracelets protect me
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fle*** (617 )
Mar-31-08 17:52 PDT
44 of 81
ShOW us the way, O Mighty Fruity!
Hi chops.
Sigmund F. Spot, FHC
"If I clear my cache anymore, my computer's gonna disappear!"
tur*** (6234 )
Mar-31-08 18:18 PDT
45 of 81
I get enough international sales and don't need to pay additional money to have even more exposure over there.
But the problem I see coming with this is that international sellers have the same chance now to pay more to be in our direct search results, which will bury our listings between thousands of more international sellers. To compensate for this loss we will have to pay the additional fee, to get back internationally, what we lost domestically.
Just doesn't sound right for me.
moo*** (1627 )
Mar-31-08 18:27 PDT
46 of 81
They're tryin' to keep you off your toes and off balance with all the changes.
That way you don't time to build your website.
Anyways, since Meg is leaving, maybe she plans to lobby
governments for the need for internet toll booths.
Internet usage fees, International internet usage tariff,
e-mail tax. You already know that some of the worlds elite want this. They'll bill it as an anti-terrorist package, thats "good" for everyone.
Yes, I did wake up on the Pessimist side of the bed today
the*** (Private )
Mar-31-08 18:55 PDT
47 of 81
What she said was bs so it hardly matters.
She was trying to say that we are going to be better off.
that is not true. I have always had very strong international sales here.
Now I have zip, literally overnight. Now ebay is telling me if I want it back, I gotta pay for it.
So much for a discount on listing. ITs rob peter to pay paul again.
Free gallery but now I gotta pay to be seen.
Right now its the slowest I have ever seen it. I have some really cute stuff right now too.
This time last year I sold close to 7-8 grand a month. This site is a serious nightmare. I was so looking forward to spring my busiest season. Now, its in the toilet.
Thank God I got a job building a website, actually I have two. One is almost done. Othewise I would be stresses bad.
tre*** (3633 )
Mar-31-08 19:02 PDT
48 of 81
Okay, I am putting this to song and going to bed..Night all.
Check ignitin and may Gods love be with you! http://youtube.com/watch?v=VnLv1kh_cuc
nkyphotos (7670 )
Mar-31-08 19:18 PDT
49 of 81
I did not see anything that said they were changing how things currently worked. If you got international exposure today you will still have it in the future. They were only adding an enhanced version you pay for.
BUT
They can turn off the spigot and force you to pay if you want it.
That is my drift on the subject.
Peace, Duane Bass
Seller of Vintage and Reproduction Photographs
gra*** (1316 )
Mar-31-08 20:36 PDT
50 of 81
I started a similar thread about this on seller Central, and Valerie (a "pink") gave a response that you should read. She says basically that they're NOT charging for anything that used to be free... then she says that your items will still show up in "ADVANCED SEARCH" "like they always have".
Ummmmm, yeah, but they used to show up in item searches too....
Unless I'm totally confused, we're getting double speak...
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eBay... What have you DONE???
schulmanart (199 )
Mar-31-08 20:39 PDT
51 of 81
In the art category, art from the ebay.au and ebay.uk sites
show up on ebay.com but my art doesn't show up there.
( and there are rarely <30 of any given art search)
So for me, this is an enhancement I will happily pay for.
sav*** (124 )
Mar-31-08 21:37 PDT
52 of 81
Interesting development! Surprising? Naw
sav*** (124 )
Mar-31-08 21:38 PDT
53 of 81
Hey turtleGaby
Your little Schildkroete is going to say Awwwey playing with that cactus!
moo*** (1627 )
Mar-31-08 21:56 PDT
54 of 81
Just checked eBay Spain and found 2 of the 3 items I have on auction.
The one that didn't show up is from eBay Motors.
I dunno. It isn't really clear what eBay meant in that announcement.
cho*** (2358 )
Mar-31-08 22:30 PDT
55 of 81
oh and if you dont have int'l postage specified in the ship fields, at least a few months ago you wouldn't show up on the int'l sites. so for those who currently dont show up.. make sure u have postage in the ship field and check thatta way. There are so many test views we all are in at different times it can be very misleading. AND check on different IDs too! Oh and dang I need to double check the older notes but I thought for sure you couldn't go below a certain feedback level. This was all bundled under the cross border transactions policy announcement i think
so far I have 20 boardies who either requested here or mailed me to be added!
Oh, I've got a brand new pair of roller skates
My Indestructible bracelets protect me
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psy*** (300 )
Mar-31-08 22:35 PDT
56 of 81
OK, now I'm officially confused.
Does this apply to auctions only?
To auctions and BIN only? To Core only?
How does if affect store items?
That announcement is very, very confusing.
But then, this is eBay. SO I suppose that is to be expected.
daz*** (6126 )
Mar-31-08 22:37 PDT
57 of 81
"the International Site Visibility listing upgrade"
Petroleum distribution Engineer
there's another one for you
Horse puckey
I'm really getting to hate this place
Who was it that said be careful of what you ask for when we all hoorayed when Meggie Pooh was leaving and something about the Devil you know.
Doesn't this "junk" only apply to auctions?
Why the heck can't they EVER make an annoucement that's the dumbed down version?
I am so glad I have my own website.
Tell ya something else - I've been fooling around with Loudfrog for years - just putzing - in the last few months there are so many feebay refugees there now that the quantity of buyers and sellers alike are really making a big impression over there. Think ebay will be content when there just isn't anyone left here at all?
eto*** (2695 )
Mar-31-08 22:38 PDT
58 of 81
Can't wait for Stephanie to announce domestic visibility upgrade selling options!
daz*** (6126 )
Mar-31-08 22:45 PDT
59 of 81
etown - good one
daz*** (6126 )
Mar-31-08 22:45 PDT
60 of 81
just getting harder to see any reason to continue these days
the*** (Private )
Mar-31-08 22:56 PDT
61 of 81
At this time , I have 1 top showing on ebay canada. And zip on the other international sites I checked.
lin*** (4627 )
Mar-31-08 23:10 PDT
62 of 81
I'm the one that said we need to be careful of what we wish for and that overall Meg's rule was kind of benign.
I saw big trouble in Donahoe just from the changes he started making as soon as he came on board.
But, now they are even surpassing my worst expectations!
daz*** (6126 )
Apr-01-08 04:46 PDT
63 of 81
can't wait to hear what Sandy has to say about this this morning - where are you Sandram?
what's your spin on this latest drama?
eto*** (2695 )
Apr-01-08 06:08 PDT
64 of 81
Coming Soon: Past the End of your Driveway Visibility Listing Upgrade!
In May, we're giving sellers who list on the U.S. site a better option for "off your property"(OYP) exposure by introducing the entire rest of the U.S. visibility listing upgrade. With this listing upgrade, sellers will be able to list on Ebay and pay a small upgrade fee so that their listings also show up in the main default search results to neighbors and friends. If you do not upgrade, be rest assured that any user on your property will still be able to bid on your items.
In the US, the additional fees to use this optional upgrade are as follows:
Start Price
$0.01 -9.99
Past the end of your drive way*
10 cents
Start Price
$.01 - 9.99
Entire county in which you reside*
20 cents
Start Price
$.01 - 9.99
Your entire state!*
40 cents
Start Price
$.01 - 9.99
Nationwide!*
75 cents
* - denotes your items will not be shown to buyers who have shown the ridiculous tendencies of leaving 5 star DSR's.
A word about testing – US Collectibles
Over the past six months, we've been running tests in the collectibles-related categories on eBay.com looking for optimal ways to exploit and monetize to the fullest, our domestic listings. These tests will be concluding as we introduce Domestic Site Visibility as an upgrade available for almost all categories to US sellers.
We're excited about the new opportunities to increase Ebay's revenue! The members in our communities will have the privilege of having the opportunity to sell nationwide! The Domestic Upgrade Visibility helps sellers reach across the street, and every state in the union depending on our low or high upgrade option. We truly believe OYP Visibility will increase your sales!
We'll update you again once Domestic Site Visibility is launched.
My lil waiver....of course this is sarcasm....for now...
swe*** (355 )
Apr-01-08 06:27 PDT
65 of 81
Coming Soon: Past the End of your Driveway Visibility Listing Upgrade! LOL
What does this all mean? Whatever they choose to make it mean. Miss Stephanie has a really bad case of "doublespeak".
swe*** (355 )
Apr-01-08 06:30 PDT
66 of 81
etown-- I just read your last poat! I was laughing so hard I spilled my coffee all over the floor!
tre*** (3633 )
Apr-01-08 06:53 PDT
67 of 81
For PowerSellers, using this feature also ensures that these UK sales are counted towards their Final Value Fee discountsCan anyone explain what the heck this means? We need a translator.
tur*** (6234 )
Apr-01-08 07:08 PDT
68 of 81
For PowerSellers, using this feature also ensures that these UK sales are counted towards their Final Value Fee discountsCan anyone explain what the heck this means? We need a translator.
This means, that you if you qualify for the powerseller discount, you also get it internationally.
Which shouldn't be mentioned at all, because as it was my understaning from the beginning, if you qualify, you will get it for all transactions and not only for domestic ones, right?
So to mention this, is just an other way of Ebay to enhance something what was granted anyway and make us think, we get something special. How stupid do they think we are?
tur*** (6234 )
Apr-01-08 07:12 PDT
69 of 81
For PowerSellers, using this feature also ensures that these UK sales are counted towards their Final Value Fee discountsCan anyone explain what the heck this means? We need a translator.
This means, that you if you qualify for the powerseller discount, you also get it internationally.
Which shouldn't be mentioned at all, because as it was my understaning from the beginning, if you qualify, you will get it for all transactions and not only for domestic ones, right?
So to mention this, is just an other way of Ebay to enhance something what was granted anyway and make us think, we get something special. How stupid do they think we are?
daz*** (6126 )
Apr-01-08 07:14 PDT
70 of 81
And I was working my way up to my former 3500 listings - SCREECH - those are my tires burning coming to a SCREECHING halt - back to work pumping up the website - sorry folks - got side tracked with that sweet talk about lowering fees.......
same old same old - well not exactly - is it getting worse? think so
Hey selling ALOT of stuff kicking around the garage on Craig's list! And it's FREE!!!
tre*** (3633 )
Apr-01-08 07:19 PDT
71 of 81
EXACTLY Turtle!
daz*** (6126 )
Apr-01-08 08:12 PDT
72 of 81
"the Ebay greedy brains develop a new fee"
they pay them overtime to invent these things
Ya know - when times are so tough financially nationwide you would think ebay would be bending over backwards to keep sellers here. Their more like the gas companies stepping on the throats of the sellers. Geez - another fee hike
daz*** (6126 )
Apr-01-08 08:13 PDT
73 of 81
hey - gab - just looked at your stats - looks like your kicking butt but I know exactly how hard your working for those numbers - amazing girl.
oak*** (4139 )
Apr-01-08 08:50 PDT
74 of 81
I think this is more to do with bolstering listing numbers on international sites. I get a strong feeling Ebay is loosing far more sellers than they want us to realize, especially from the international sites.
Perhaps the UK sellers are voting with there feet ?
lin*** (4627 )
Apr-01-08 09:14 PDT
75 of 81
I've been thinking this over and remember someone here posted a while back that soon we would be PAYING for visibility with best match being the means to control it.
This is the start.
I stated then that Yahoo did that way back when they started their deadly spiral. Items stopped being shown by ending soonest and you had to BID for placement.
Those willing to pay a nickel a day were moved up over those for free. Those paying a dime a day were moved up a little further. You could pay for some to move up and hope it helped all. Eventually it took a quarter or more a day just to be seen.
I see the same thing happening here and it won't be long before it starts.
Listing fees may disappear completely, but you will pay to be seen and you will bid on the privilege.
Remember how Meg wanted to control Television advertising with a bidding process?
I predict that will be here by the end of the year or early next!
bhe*** (302 )
Apr-01-08 09:25 PDT
76 of 81
A pink on the UK board states that the visibility fee can only be applied to Auction or Fixed Price listings. His post also clears up a few other points:
http://forums.ebay.co.uk/thread.jspa?threadID=1200203583&start=160
"Hi all
In repsonse to lots of the queries and questions on this thread I am going to do a bit of a summary.
This fee can only be applied to Auction or Fixed Price listings and does not include Shops (SIF) listings.
Sellers Other Items will show all the sellers listings as today.
Seller Manager Pro and Turbolister have been updated to reflect these changes and the options will be live when the fee is launched.
Anyone listing on the UK/IE (except US/CA registered sellers) can pay this fee to appear in the main US/CA results. However a UK/IE registered seller cannot list on ebay.com to access the fee to gain UK exposure.
Anyone listing on ebay.com (except UK/IE sellers) can pay their fee to gain access to the UK main results.
Currently any item located in the UK is shown in our main results regardless of the site that it is listed on. Once this fee is live any listing made on ebay.com and located in the UK will be blocked from UK main results unless the fee is paid. However it will continue to appear in the international expansion box. The same is true for US listings made on ebay.co.uk However, any listing live at the time of the fee launch will continue to behave in the way it did before until it is revised or relisted.
So in short if you are a UK seller with items located in the UK you can
1) List on the UK and pay the fee to be shown in the US
2) List on ebay.com but your item will not be shown in the UK except in the Internation expansion box
3) List on any other ebay site and appear there and in the UK
Some other things to consider
1) Pay the fee for one or two of your items and use cross-promotion or hope people click Sellers Other Items to get more of your items shown to US buyers
2) If you achieve one incremental bid you will make your money back on the insertion fee
Finally on the point about FVF discounts - a couple of things
1) If you qualify for the UK discount program you only get discounts from the FVFs incurred on listings made on ebay.co.uk
2) The number/value of items sold (which is one of the qualification criteria) is based on all sales regardless of where the item was listed
Back later
George "
the*** (Private )
Apr-01-08 09:42 PDT
77 of 81
LOL
Well let ebay be reminded what happend to yahoo auctions. What happend to AOL. No one is irreplaceable at some point in time it will bite them in the behind.
I do agree that this site is going to change even more. Sad really.
I need to do some serious soul searching to see if I want to do something else or just move on completely. Im very busy and ebay has been a great way for me to run an "easy" biz.
But if things are going to be more work than its worth not sure I wanna go there.
However, Im not sure I wanna do the work necc to go off ebay either.
Sad.
daz*** (6126 )
Apr-01-08 09:58 PDT
78 of 81
wood - I did the work after MUCH foot and butt dragging - I could kick myself now that I didn't do it sooner. I had one before but was waaaay ahead of it's time so I was hesitant to jump in again. We all know how much work it is with your arse glued to the chair for hours upon hours - days upon days. I think the times have changed so much - ebay has educated seller and buyer alike. Buyers are now not afraid to go out into the unknown. Give it a shot - I think it's worth it. If Linda's suspicions are right you will need back up. Should ebay spiral downwards like Yahoo and Amazon of the past you'll be in sad shape if your eggs are only in one basket.
daz*** (6126 )
Apr-01-08 09:59 PDT
79 of 81
one more point wood - ebay fees - hundreds each month + paypal - your own website - $14.95 - priceless
the*** (Private )
Apr-01-08 10:01 PDT
80 of 81
I guess where I dont have skill is in SEO. I really dont know how to bring in my own traffic. I can design a store no problem but what are you guys doing to get traffic?
I think #1 mistake is I dont work with my current customers to get them off ebay.
I guess I should start there.
mfa*** (4003 )
Apr-01-08 10:33 PDT
81 of 81
I would ONLY do this if UK or Euro buyers had to pay for my item in their currency, in other words if it lists for $5.00 in U.S it would have to list for 5 pound/sterling or Euro on those sites.
Sorry eBay, I pay too much in fees already. This will simply save me a trip to the post office as the only time I have to go is when I have international packages.
Can anyone say "nickle and dimed to death?"
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