"Since the beginning of the program through August 30, shoppers visited dealers’ virtual showroom sites more than 1 million times and logged more than 1.4 million searches of GM inventory. In addition, nearly 4,000 new car buyers entered into negotiations online, over the phone and in person"
However if you're the type that examines the hype and have a few questions, you may have spotted these articles:
TheBrewsNews.com - "So, let me get this straight… eBay put out a press release saying that a 57.1% feedback seller who has less than a handful of items that sold on the platform in a month, out of tens of thousands of listings, is part of a “successful” eBay experiment because the seller was able to generate almost 4,000 leads to conduct business outside of eBay. I guess the term “innovative relationship” is probably an accurate description for the eBay-GM partnership. The innovative relationship with GM does seem to fit in quite nicely with eBay’s whole disruptive innovation theme they currently have going on. And, as Rob Chesney says, it is what eBay does best."
DiamondHaus.com - "Doing a search of GM’s completed listings currently yields over 39000 listings for the past two weeks. Going over the first five pages of 200 listings each yields no sales. In fact I’ve watched this seller for a few weeks and have yet to find a single sale after going through approximately 10 – 20 pages. However, yourgmdealer has received 9 feedbacks (more on that later) so there have been some sales. Based on eBay’s stated average of a 70% feedback participation rate that would mean yourgmdealer has made roughly 13 sales. This would yield a 0.03 % sell-through rate. That’s about 100 times worse than BUY’s sell-through rate."
SeekingAlpha.com Richard Read - "GM's vice president of U.S. sales, Mark LaNeve, says that "The numbers on eBay itself aren't significant, but we didn't think it would be." Unfortunately, that's the classic "Yeah, we meant to do that" explanation for poor performance that never convinces anyone."
BloggingStocks.com - "In the program's first week, there were 2,400 offers that led to negotiations, but the companies declined to say how many of those actually culminated in sales -- which is never a good sign."
Yes, the above is blatant link gathering, abet we do make it easier for you to find these articles.
We do recommend reading the TheBrewsNews.com article, and subscribing to their site.
In keeping with the article title, let's look into zero feedback buyers 661henryglen and pyates1_2007. At the time of this article, neither has received any positive feedback from the sellers they made purchases from.
"Richard Kimble has been tried and convicted for the murder of his wife. But laws are made by men, carried out by men. And men are imperfect. Richard Kimble is innocent." The Fugitive (1963)
Consider for a moment that yourgmdealer (General Motors) was not the only seller that 661henryglen and pyates1_2007 and made purchases from. You do know that these two made purchases from other sellers? Ergo if you believe the shill bidder assumption, then 661henryglen and pyates1_2007 must be doing the same for the other sellers they made purchases from?
This is not to say that there is no shill bidding or feedback manipulation occurring on eBay. But considering the other sellers involved here, we don't see it.
Let's try the simpler explanation. That perhaps we're dealing with what's commonly known as a "joy bidder".
"These particular group of people would just bid and win your item and then refuse to respond to your emails or calls for payment." paladin_star( 79)
Anyone take the time to ask these other sellers about these other closed transactions? Take a guess as to what we did.
We believe it is wrong and unfair to tarnish the reputations of the other sellers involved. If you feel the 'innocent unless proven guilty' is overly broad, honest sellers should consider that could have been you.
And with an abundance of joy bidders it can still be you.
.
"The dealer was excellent, and we are happy with the purchase." pyates1_2007 ( 0 )
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Buyer number one is pyates1_2007 and they've been an eBay member since November 27 2004. According to eBay they reside in California (United States).
These are their last three purchases, and they've received no feedback.
Nine days later pyates1_2007 purchased a 2010 Pontiac Vibe w/1SA "4 cylinder 1.8L Anti-Lock Brakes Bucket Seats" from GM San Diego, and the next day another 2010 Pontiac Vibe w/1SA (Hatchback 4 cylinder 1.8L Anti-Lock Brakes Power Brakes) from GM Paso Robles. The only feedback they've given is for one of those cars.
This looks like someone doing comparison shopping, then over the next two days taking what they consider the better deal. The making multiple purchases but paying for only one, is a type of buyer/transaction common on eBay.
The list below shows on line one the item number and seller. Line two has the time the item was purchased and the time feedback was left and the time between the two events (Hours:Minutes:Seconds). Line three shows the purchase price and the name of the item.
Pay careful attention to the times in each line two.
A rather short time between purchase, delivery, and feedback wouldn't you say? Not that there appears to be at the moment any money changing hands. According to sellers 661henryglen never pays for their purchases, and unpaid item cases have been opened.
If their account is NARU'd, this leaves open the possibility that ALL feedback left would be removed.
If we're dealing with case number two, this would have virtually no affect on buy (Buy.com). Buy (Buy.com) has 679,689 positive feedback over a 12 month period. Removing one positive feedback would result in an insignificant change in their Feedback Profile.
The GM yourgmdealer account is a another matter though. Over a 12 month period (or 1 month period), yourgmdealer has seven positive feedback and three negative feedback, resulting in a 62.5% Feedback Percentage.
What kind of visual image does the casual view see with three less positives? Does a Feedback Rating of four positives and three negatives look good? Which is the near coin toss chance of getting a good deal from GM/eBay.
Are we having fun yet?
.
"It's my gift. It's my curse." Frank Black, Millennium (1996-1999)
"It's a blessing, and a curse." Adrian Monk, Monk (2002-2009)
"Since the beginning of the program through August 30, shoppers visited dealers’ virtual showroom sites more than 1 million times and logged more than 1.4 million searches of GM inventory. In addition, nearly 4,000 new car buyers entered into negotiations online, over the phone and in person"
However if you're the type that examines the hype and have a few questions, you may have spotted these articles:
TheBrewsNews.com - "So, let me get this straight… eBay put out a press release saying that a 57.1% feedback seller who has less than a handful of items that sold on the platform in a month, out of tens of thousands of listings, is part of a “successful” eBay experiment because the seller was able to generate almost 4,000 leads to conduct business outside of eBay. I guess the term “innovative relationship” is probably an accurate description for the eBay-GM partnership. The innovative relationship with GM does seem to fit in quite nicely with eBay’s whole disruptive innovation theme they currently have going on. And, as Rob Chesney says, it is what eBay does best."
DiamondHaus.com - "Doing a search of GM’s completed listings currently yields over 39000 listings for the past two weeks. Going over the first five pages of 200 listings each yields no sales. In fact I’ve watched this seller for a few weeks and have yet to find a single sale after going through approximately 10 – 20 pages. However, yourgmdealer has received 9 feedbacks (more on that later) so there have been some sales. Based on eBay’s stated average of a 70% feedback participation rate that would mean yourgmdealer has made roughly 13 sales. This would yield a 0.03 % sell-through rate. That’s about 100 times worse than BUY’s sell-through rate."
SeekingAlpha.com Richard Read - "GM's vice president of U.S. sales, Mark LaNeve, says that "The numbers on eBay itself aren't significant, but we didn't think it would be." Unfortunately, that's the classic "Yeah, we meant to do that" explanation for poor performance that never convinces anyone."
BloggingStocks.com - "In the program's first week, there were 2,400 offers that led to negotiations, but the companies declined to say how many of those actually culminated in sales -- which is never a good sign."
Yes, the above is blatant link gathering, abet we do make it easier for you to find these articles.
We do recommend reading the TheBrewsNews.com article, and subscribing to their site.
In keeping with the article title, let's look into zero feedback buyers 661henryglen and pyates1_2007. At the time of this article, neither has received any positive feedback from the sellers they made purchases from.
"Richard Kimble has been tried and convicted for the murder of his wife. But laws are made by men, carried out by men. And men are imperfect. Richard Kimble is innocent." The Fugitive (1963)
Consider for a moment that yourgmdealer (General Motors) was not the only seller that 661henryglen and pyates1_2007 and made purchases from. You do know that these two made purchases from other sellers? Ergo if you believe the shill bidder assumption, then 661henryglen and pyates1_2007 must be doing the same for the other sellers they made purchases from?
This is not to say that there is no shill bidding or feedback manipulation occurring on eBay. But considering the other sellers involved here, we don't see it.
Let's try the simpler explanation. That perhaps we're dealing with what's commonly known as a "joy bidder".
"These particular group of people would just bid and win your item and then refuse to respond to your emails or calls for payment." paladin_star( 79)
Anyone take the time to ask these other sellers about these other closed transactions? Take a guess as to what we did.
We believe it is wrong and unfair to tarnish the reputations of the other sellers involved. If you feel the 'innocent unless proven guilty' is overly broad, honest sellers should consider that could have been you.
And with an abundance of joy bidders it can still be you.
.
"The dealer was excellent, and we are happy with the purchase." pyates1_2007 ( 0 )
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Buyer number one is pyates1_2007 and they've been an eBay member since November 27 2004. According to eBay they reside in California (United States).
These are their last three purchases, and they've received no feedback.
Nine days later pyates1_2007 purchased a 2010 Pontiac Vibe w/1SA "4 cylinder 1.8L Anti-Lock Brakes Bucket Seats" from GM San Diego, and the next day another 2010 Pontiac Vibe w/1SA (Hatchback 4 cylinder 1.8L Anti-Lock Brakes Power Brakes) from GM Paso Robles. The only feedback they've given is for one of those cars.
This looks like someone doing comparison shopping, then over the next two days taking what they consider the better deal. The making multiple purchases but paying for only one, is a type of buyer/transaction common on eBay.
The list below shows on line one the item number and seller. Line two has the time the item was purchased and the time feedback was left and the time between the two events (Hours:Minutes:Seconds). Line three shows the purchase price and the name of the item.
Pay careful attention to the times in each line two.
A rather short time between purchase, delivery, and feedback wouldn't you say? Not that there appears to be at the moment any money changing hands. According to sellers 661henryglen never pays for their purchases, and unpaid item cases have been opened.
If their account is NARU'd, this leaves open the possibility that ALL feedback left would be removed.
If we're dealing with case number two, this would have virtually no affect on buy (Buy.com). Buy (Buy.com) has 679,689 positive feedback over a 12 month period. Removing one positive feedback would result in an insignificant change in their Feedback Profile.
The GM yourgmdealer account is a another matter though. Over a 12 month period (or 1 month period), yourgmdealer has seven positive feedback and three negative feedback, resulting in a 62.5% Feedback Percentage.
What kind of visual image does the casual view see with three less positives? Does a Feedback Rating of four positives and three negatives look good? Which is the near coin toss chance of getting a good deal from GM/eBay.
Are we having fun yet?
.
"It's my gift. It's my curse." Frank Black, Millennium (1996-1999)
"It's a blessing, and a curse." Adrian Monk, Monk (2002-2009)
Whatever Happened To ... 661henryglen and General Motors (yourgmdealer) eBay?
Whatever Happened To ... 661henryglen and General Motors (yourgmdealer) eBay?
3 September 2009
EventHorizon1984
By now you're seen the joint General Motors (GM) and eBay joint communique, "eBay Motors and General Motors Extend California 'Click and Buy' Promotion Through September', trumpeting their success.
As they put it:
However if you're the type that examines the hype and have a few questions, you may have spotted these articles:
Yes, the above is blatant link gathering, abet we do make it easier for you to find these articles.
We do recommend reading the TheBrewsNews.com article, and subscribing to their site.
.
"We know GM has the vehicles, if not they can build them. ~ LOL"
ebay_paid
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Below is the obligatory screen shot (click to enlarge) of the eBay feedback for General Motors (GM).
And a text copy of GM's feedback.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=yourgmdealer
In keeping with the article title, let's look into zero feedback buyers 661henryglen and pyates1_2007. At the time of this article, neither has received any positive feedback from the sellers they made purchases from.
If you're wondering why zero feedback buyer strategicnetworksinc is not on our poke into list, we suspect they are Strategic Networks INC , a legitimate buyer.
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"Richard Kimble has been tried and convicted for the murder of his wife. But laws are made by men, carried out by men. And men are imperfect. Richard Kimble is innocent."
The Fugitive (1963)
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In the current rush to figure out what is going on with the GM and eBay deal, it's been posited that 661henryglen and pyates1_2007 are shill bidders. That they were sent in to boost feedback for GM.
This is wrong.
Consider for a moment that yourgmdealer (General Motors) was not the only seller that 661henryglen and pyates1_2007 and made purchases from. You do know that these two made purchases from other sellers? Ergo if you believe the shill bidder assumption, then 661henryglen and pyates1_2007 must be doing the same for the other sellers they made purchases from?
Really???
No.
This is not to say that there is no shill bidding or feedback manipulation occurring on eBay. But considering the other sellers involved here, we don't see it.
Let's try the simpler explanation. That perhaps we're dealing with what's commonly known as a "joy bidder".
Anyone take the time to ask these other sellers about these other closed transactions? Take a guess as to what we did.
We believe it is wrong and unfair to tarnish the reputations of the other sellers involved. If you feel the 'innocent unless proven guilty' is overly broad, honest sellers should consider that could have been you.
And with an abundance of joy bidders it can still be you.
.
"The dealer was excellent, and we are happy with the purchase."
pyates1_2007 ( 0 )
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Buyer number one is pyates1_2007 and they've been an eBay member since November 27 2004. According to eBay they reside in California (United States).
These are their last three purchases, and they've received no feedback.
Buyer pyates1_2007 bought a set of four tires. For a very nice price.
Nine days later pyates1_2007 purchased a 2010 Pontiac Vibe w/1SA "4 cylinder 1.8L Anti-Lock Brakes Bucket Seats" from GM San Diego, and the next day another 2010 Pontiac Vibe w/1SA (Hatchback 4 cylinder 1.8L Anti-Lock Brakes Power Brakes) from GM Paso Robles. The only feedback they've given is for one of those cars.
This looks like someone doing comparison shopping, then over the next two days taking what they consider the better deal. The making multiple purchases but paying for only one, is a type of buyer/transaction common on eBay.
Our verdict: Another satisfied GM customer.
Our condolences to the San Diego GM dealership.
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"it was very easy"
661henryglen ( 0 )
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We're sure it was easy.
Buyer number two is 661henryglen and they've been an eBay member since June 03 2009. According to eBay they reside in California (United States).
They made multiple purchases over a two day (24 hour) period, and they've received no feedback.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=661henryglen&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers
Here's where it gets interesting.
The list below shows on line one the item number and seller. Line two has the time the item was purchased and the time feedback was left and the time between the two events (Hours:Minutes:Seconds). Line three shows the purchase price and the name of the item.
Pay careful attention to the times in each line two.
A rather short time between purchase, delivery, and feedback wouldn't you say? Not that there appears to be at the moment any money changing hands. According to sellers 661henryglen never pays for their purchases, and unpaid item cases have been opened.
Our verdict: Possible "Joy Bidder". Consider putting this one in your Bidder Block List (BBL).
Because 661henryglen hit sellers that eBay has a vested interest in, buy (Buy.com) and yourgmdealer, we believe their buying spree days may be over.
But that does bring up an interesting conundrum. Big IF 661henryglen committed unwelcome and malicious buying against eBay vested interest sellers, why is their account not a registered user (NARU)?
Two answers:
If we're dealing with case number two, this would have virtually no affect on buy (Buy.com). Buy (Buy.com) has 679,689 positive feedback over a 12 month period. Removing one positive feedback would result in an insignificant change in their Feedback Profile.
The GM yourgmdealer account is a another matter though. Over a 12 month period (or 1 month period), yourgmdealer has seven positive feedback and three negative feedback, resulting in a 62.5% Feedback Percentage.
What kind of visual image does the casual view see with three less positives? Does a Feedback Rating of four positives and three negatives look good? Which is the near coin toss chance of getting a good deal from GM/eBay.
Are we having fun yet?
.
"It's my gift. It's my curse."
Frank Black, Millennium (1996-1999)
"It's a blessing, and a curse."
Adrian Monk, Monk (2002-2009)
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